The five candidates - Democrat Martha Coakley, Republican Charlie Baker, and independents Jeff McCormick, Evan Falchuk and Scott Lively - attacked each other on a range of topics, seeking an advantage in what may be the final debate between all five.
BOSTON – The five candidates for governor met Tuesday night in a fiery debate, in which the candidates attacked one another on topics ranging from health care to homeland security.
Democrat Martha Coakley, Republican Charlie Baker, and independents Jeff McCormick, Evan Falchuk and Scott Lively met for an hour-long debate at WBZ-TV studios in Boston, moderated by WBZ political analyst Jon Keller.
This could be the last debate featuring all five candidates. The independents recently had their invitations withdrawn from a debate in Worcester, sponsored by Worcester area media organizations and the Chamber of Commerce. The Boston Globe and WGBH organized a debate for later this month, which will only include Coakley and Baker.
Polling shows Coakley and Baker in a dead heat, with each of the independents polling around 2 percent.
Some of the most testy changes came on issues surrounding health care. Baker, as CEO, helped turn around Harvard Pilgrim Health Care. Coakley, the Massachusetts attorney general, gave him credit for his work, but said Baker "tripled premium costs and tripled your salary." She pointed out that Baker's salary at Harvard Pilgrim increased from $600,000 in 1999 to $1.7 million in 2008.
Baker said his salary was set by the board, consistent with market salaries, and it's "not something I spent a lot of time negotiating with the board on."
"The fact is we saved Harvard Pilgrim," Baker said, adding that if the insurance company had dissolved, thousands of people in Massachusetts would have lost their jobs.
Falchuk, a former executive at Best Doctors, criticized Coakley for a settlement her office negotiated allowing Partners Healthcare to acquire three new hospitals. Falchuk said the deal would increase health care costs by allowing the hospital to build a monopoly.
Coakley said the deal puts price caps on what hospitals can charge and holds them accountable for better quality, creating a better result for consumers and costs.
But Falchuk said the deal is "closing the barn door after the horse is already out," because the market has already been distorted.
On the topic of the Affordable Care Act, which Massachusetts has struggled to implement due to technical problems with its new health exchange website, all the candidates said the state should seek waivers from the federal government from parts of the national health reform. Baker said Coakley, as attorney general, is the only one who could have done something about it, through her representatives on the state's Health Connector board. Baker pointed to the problems as a symptom of one-party government in Massachusetts.
"We're the only state in the country that had a horrible experience rolling out the Affordable Care Act where no one lost their job," Baker said.
Coakley responded, "We're the only state in the country that tried to provide a model for what happened on a national level." But she added that the federal government should have given states more latitude.
McCormick, a venture capitalist, said the state should have used technology more efficiently and pointed to the Health Connector debacle as a symptom of politics as usual. "There's so much we can do if we break from the status quo," McCormick said.
The debate started on a contentious note with a continuing dispute over Baker and Coakley's records on child protection.
Baker criticized Coakley for fighting, rather than settling, a lawsuit with Children's Rights, a non-profit, over problems with the Department of Children and Families.
Baker said the state should have fixed the agency's problems "instead of litigating it for four years."
Coakley responded that the case had no merit. "What we said was rather than spend millions of dollars on outside lawyers, let's work on a solution, not one-size-fits-all, to make that happen," Coakley said.
Coakley criticized Baker for returning $2 million slated for child protection to the state's general fund when he was secretary of Health and Human Services in the 1990s.
Baker said when he was in charge, "We hired hundreds of additional social workers and got caseloads down."
Falchuk criticized Coakley and Baker for the way they were arguing, saying abused children should not be used as political fodder. "It's disrespectful to the voters and the lives that have been lost to talk about these things in this way," Falchuk said.
One topic that has not come up frequently on the campaign trail is homeland security. The candidates were asked about cases involving terrorism suspects from Massachusetts. Keller asked whether Massachusetts is "a magnet for terrorists."
Lively, a Christian pastor, responded, "Massachusetts is a target because it's a liberal state." He said radical Islamists are going to liberal countries and "states that have the highest Democratic populations" because they will face less scrutiny and people have fewer guns.
McCormick and Baker both said Boston can be a target because it is a cosmopolitan city. "People from abroad who want to inflict terror want to get an impact, they're going to go to the kinds of cities they think they can be seen," McCormick said. McCormick said there needs to be more coordination between state and federal agencies and better use of technology.
Falchuk said with a focus on combating terrorism, he is worried that "our civil liberties are being increasingly encroached on." Falchuk criticized the order for residents to stay at home during the manhunt for the Boston Marathon bombing suspect and the "militarization" of the police in that case.
Coakley said she worked with the police during the manhunt to get search warrants so the case would hold up in court.
Lively also used the question to say the country must close the border to illegal immigrants, to stop bringing radical Islamists into the country.
McCormick responded, "This country was built largely by immigrants," and said 60 percent of companies in the state were founded by immigrants.